Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyle Minor

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The result was no consensus. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Minor

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Subject does not meet WP:BLO, he is not notable. Not a full-time faculty member. Some publications but not enough secondary sources to clear the hurtle of notability, at least not yet. Jimsteele9999 (talk) 01:17, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak keep~~Comment - I do not comment on a lot of author AfDs, so I'm not sure about this. A Google search of "Kyle Minor" immediately turned up a New York Times book review for his work Praying Drunk. It appears that same work has been reviewed by Reader's Digest, Publisher's Weekly, and the LA Times. It looks like Minor's official website has collected a handful of reviews, several of them in periodicals [1]. He may not be notable as a professor, but I think this is enough to pass WP:AUTHOR #3. Mz7 (talk) 01:58, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed my stance. See below. Mz7 (talk) 04:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:36, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:36, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Quick search says: His latest book was reviewed in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, Bookforum, etc. It appeared on many best of lists for 2014 including Reader's Digest, Flavorwire, Buzzfeed, The Millions, and Powell's City of Books. He was interviewed in many major journals for it, including Tin House, The Believer, etc. He writes for Salon, Esquire, New York Times Book Review, etc. Here is the NYT link: New York Times book review. On a related note, it is irritating that people are always trolling these kinds of listings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.246.103.90 (talk) 01:02, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"'Additional Keep Note from Above'" - Also, JimSteele is wrong. I just checked his university's website, and Minor is a fulltime faculty member, an assistant professor of English. Here is the link for that. [2]. On a related note, it is irritating that people are always trolling these kinds of listings. I am a graduate student in English at Bowling Green State University, and this is one of the most talked-about writers in the country in these circles, one who frequently tours university campus and reads for big crowds in NYC, too. If he isn't notable, there can't be a notable story writer in America under the age of 50. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.246.103.90 (talk) 01:10, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, before you assume that an editor is "trolling," particularly one with many more edits than you in a variety of subjects, you may want to look at their edit history. On that note, please see WP:SPA and WP:COI. That being said, if this is indeed your first foray into editing, it is not impressive. You being a graduate student at whatever university holds no weight as to whether or not this subject is notable, nor does it speak for your authority on him. You claim he "frequently tours campuses and reads for big crowds in NYC." OK. And...? Is that verifiable? If so, would it matter?Moreover, if Mr. Minor is "one of the most talked about writers in the country" (clearly a hyperbole if I've ever heard one) then we would indeed find something on Google Scholar and/or JSTOR. Both turned out nothing. In fact, he may be an assistant professor, he might be full time, but that doesn't make him fulfilling WP:ACADEMIC. Check out #6 on that. Assistant professor isn't even a full professor. Lastly, yes, he has been reviewed by the NY times. Yes, he has been interviewed. We're aware of that. Many authors out there have done the same. That in itself does not make them notable. Please check out those links I provided and educate yourself before adding comments, you will find it will bolster your strength as an editor as well as your arguments.Jimsteele9999 (talk) 01:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimsteele9999: Ultimately, what makes any topic on Wikipedia notable is if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources. The fact that Minor is touring a university campus contributes very weakly, if at all, to his notability. As an assistant professor with little impact in academics, this person probably doesn't satisfy any of the criteria at WP:ACADEMIC. As an author, however, the relevant notability guideline for this person is WP:AUTHOR. Criterion #3 states: The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Praying Drunk appears to be a book that has received coverage from multiple independent periodical articles and reviews. Now, here's what I'm thinking: it could be that these sources show that the book Praying Drunk is notable, and since the author is notable only for this one book, an acceptable compromise could be that we instead create an article about Praying Drunk and redirect the author article to the one about the book. Mz7 (talk) 04:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I just created the Praying Drunk article. Mz7 (talk) 05:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect/merge to Praying Drunk - Since the overwhelming majority of third-party sources out there only discuss Kyle Minor with his book Praying Drunk, I believe it is appropriate to merge relevant information to the article about the book and redirect this author article to the article about the book. See WP:PSEUDO. —Mz7 (talk) 21:02, 6 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Mz7, I think your course of action, a redirect, is a good one, and a fair compromise.Jimsteele9999 (talk) 00:45, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - The subject seems to be acquiring some notability and has received at least one relatively prestigious awards for his work. He is also widely published. A decent argument exists that he meets guidelines found in WP:AUTHOR, however this could be WP:TOOSOON. While Mz7's suggestion may be best for now, I am unsure whether merge and redirect is sufficient because the subject has been interviewed regarding his general writing style and not just regarding specific works. Also his first work, "In the Devil's Territory", is starting to receive more recognition as well, although perhaps due to the success of "Praying Drunk".--Rpclod (talk) 03:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect/merge to Praying Drunk per WP:BIO1E. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:05, 19 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Praying Drunk. I suggest rather a redirect than a merge. Doesn't cost much and people will find his work when actually looking for his name. AAA3AAA (talk) 07:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:NOTABLE and WP:AUTHOR on multiple grounds. Harrison2014 (talk) 17:12, 23 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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